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  Ruining the Earth2.0

  by peacefulpete in

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  few years ago i did a thread that i hope has helped some folks.

  maybe it is time to 'recycle' it.. did the writer of rev 11:18 (ruin those who ruin the earth) somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

  secondly, how does the context help to interpret it?.

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  raymond frantz

  Pete, You said:"Go consult with your Greek professor. Better yet get yourself a good novel and step away from the apocalypse stuff for a while."

  It's OK, but you still haven't answered Revelation 8:9 about ships physical objects being "diaphiro"
  
  
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  Ruining the Earth2.0

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  few years ago i did a thread that i hope has helped some folks.

  maybe it is time to 'recycle' it.. did the writer of rev 11:18 (ruin those who ruin the earth) somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

  secondly, how does the context help to interpret it?.

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  raymond frantz

  @ peacefulpete

  This is a forum, you post your diatribe and people are allowed to commend on it. Maybe a little humility won't go amiss, if you don't like people challenging your thesis do not post.

  You will find me on jw updates channel on a weekly basis reading from original Greek Koini and commenting on it, I'm pretty sure you are proficient enough to do the same.

  By the way, can you also explain to me how the word dia-pthiro is used also in the book of Revelation to describe destroyed ships? Are they destroyed morally?

  Revelation 8:9

  "A third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed(=diapthiro)
  
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  Ruining the Earth2.0

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  few years ago i did a thread that i hope has helped some folks.

  maybe it is time to 'recycle' it.. did the writer of rev 11:18 (ruin those who ruin the earth) somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

  secondly, how does the context help to interpret it?.

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  raymond frantz

  @enoughisenough ,the 7 year period is based on Daniel 9:27 that describes the final week, the seven-year tribulation period: “[A ruler](=the Antichrist) will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.” Jesus refers to this passage in Matthew 24:15. The ruler who confirms the covenant and then sets up the abomination is called “the beast” in Revelation 13. According to Daniel 9:27, the beast’s covenant will be for seven years, but in the middle of this week (3 ½ years into the tribulation), the beast will break the covenant, putting a stop to the Jewish sacrifices. Revelation 13 explains that the beast will place an image of himself in the temple and require the world to worship him. Revelation 13:5 says that this will go on for 42 months, which is 3 ½ years (the second half of the tribulation).

  This is not a jw teaching but that's what most mainstream Christian escatologists believe today. I hope that helps...
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  Ruining the Earth2.0

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  few years ago i did a thread that i hope has helped some folks.

  maybe it is time to 'recycle' it.. did the writer of rev 11:18 (ruin those who ruin the earth) somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

  secondly, how does the context help to interpret it?.

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  raymond frantz

  Fellow exjw here, I'm of Greek origin and studied 3 years ancient Greek language in college I also run the JW UPDATES youtube channel.Great research and explanation. This verse always fascinated me but there was something about the Watchtower's explanation that never added up for me.Let me explain.The verb dia-pthiro (=thoroughly + corrupt) is used for both symbolic and physical corruption in the New Testament. SYMBOLIC :διεφθαρμένοι τόν νοῦν, 1 Timothy 6:5, corrupt in the mind, or deprived LITERAL:Luke 12:33 GRK: οὐδὲ σὴς διαφθείρει, describing a physical treasure being destroyed What about Revelation 11:18, is it literal or symbolic? In thus case what is being corrupted defines its meaning. The EARTH is being corrupted.In the book of Revelation 2 words are used for the word earth γῆ=gé (=the physical earth) AND oikoumeni(= the inhabited earth). In this verse the first is used γῆ=gé is used so the corruption is done on the actual Phyisical planet. Now it gets even more strange and interesting, WHO is corrupting the earth, several groups are mentioned are mentioned and excluded in the verse.The nations (=the un-redeemed people)The deadYour servants the prophets The people who revere your name, both great and smallSInce in the book of Revelation the people are divided to those who serve God and those who don't that pretty much covers all human kind Which leaves us with the "THOSE"Who are destroying the PLANET EARTH ,or as the ESV renders it:"for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”I believe them to be Satan and his fallen angels that are thrown down to earth in the last 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation and they only entities that can harm the planet thoroughly in ways that remains to be seen.
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  2023-01-27--Civil Unrest!

  by Atlantis in

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  2023-01-27--civil unrest.

  click image to enlarge.. .

  https://postimg.cc/gxqvnfcq.

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  raymond frantz

  Thanks Atlantis, much appreciated, I wish more elders were like you
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  This week's Watchtower Study - don't complain if ...

  by eyeslice in

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  don't complain if you get kicked out of bethel after 23 years (it's really a blessing to be assigned back to the field) and don't complain if they sell your kingdom hall even if you have just invested your time and energy renovating it.. so encouraging?.

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  https://youtu.be/MUFKHvk7Gwo
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  raymond frantz

  The more likely scenario is that he will come back to the UK, wait and see, working a decent 9-5:job is not part of his DNA...
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  Be careful what you claim!

  by BoogerMan in

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  (acts 12:21-23) “on a set day, herod clothed himself with royal raiment and sat down on the judgment seat and began giving them a public address.

  22 then the people who were assembled began shouting: “a god’s voice, and not a man’s!” 23 instantly the angel of jehovah struck him, because he did not give the glory to god, and he was eaten up with worms and died.”.

  w57 6/15 p. 370 par.

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  raymond frantz

  Brilliant quote
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  King of the North

  by pontoon in

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  i've been out for 13 years.

  just wondering who the society is identifying as the king of the north?.

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  raymond frantz

  The prophesy about the king of the North and King of the South mainly involves the Selucid and Ptelemaic kingdoms the Hellenistic kingdoms of the Middle East to the rise of the Roman Empire, only at the end of that 11th chapter the prophesy jumps to our times and the Antichrist kingdom of the End Times.
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  Are they now tracking our activity on jw.org app?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
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  this disclaimer appeared on my jw.org app after using their add notes function on the watchtower study section are they now tracking the app and what we add to it?

  the information i add on their note section is mainly points that i can use on my videos which is really clashed as apostate material.this information is saved on my drive and not on cloud so are they installing a tracker on your system once you press accept so they can use this information against in the future?

  have you had a similar experience?.

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  raymond frantz

  This disclaimer appeared on my jw.org app after using their add notes function on the Watchtower study section Are they now tracking the app and what we add to it?

  The information I add on their NOTE section is mainly points that I can use on my videos which is really clashed as apostate material.This information is saved on my drive and not on cloud so are they installing a tracker on your system once you press ACCEPT so they can use this information against in the future? Have you had a similar experience?

  The screenshot below refers to medical advise but the disclaimer I got was a generic about using their website...